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Subject: WD1001FALS-00J7B1 = TLER switch removed!
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ninja6o4 Oct 18, 2009 09:27 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I bought 6 of these 6 months ago and they have been fantastic in my RAID5. I enabled TLER (Time Limited Error Recovery) on them - those of you running any WD blacks in RAID know what I'm talking about.
Fair warning - the old ones I had are revision J7B0 the new ones for sale are revision J7B1, and the TLER switch utility DOES NOT WORK.
You will get an error saying "Unable to retrieve Read/Write TLER time", and it will be unable to program it, either. It seems that WDC caught wind of this little trick and has disabled it in this new line.

This doesn't affect the drive's ability to be a member of a RAID, just that this particular feature does help in RAID situations when your drive hiccups and stalls out your RAID.

This message was modified by the poster at 10 18, 2009 09:29 AM

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death_hawk™ Oct 18, 2009 02:43 PM Reply | Bookmark
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SERIOUS?!??!?!

I just checked a random sampling of my drives and most (except like 4) are J7B1.

Thanks WD. They got smrt and caught onto what we were doing.

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Justin_C Oct 18, 2009 05:06 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Well..the alternatives are? Excluding RE versions.

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Bonedigger Oct 18, 2009 06:02 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I"ve got 3 640 blacks in a raid 5, busting my head to enable TLER but no luck.
Tired of the lockups going to have to spring for some RE drives when $$ comes available

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D33nS Oct 18, 2009 06:23 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Thank god the last 5 1tb drives I bought were all able to switch the TLER on.

I supose there is no problem I would upgrade my RAID5 with 2-3 more 1TB Drives with TLER off? (Except from the fact that sometime can make my raid5 rebuild)

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michelkenny Oct 18, 2009 06:34 PM Reply | Bookmark
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All of my WD1001FALS-00J7B1 (8), including two I just purchased a few weeks or a month ago worked for TLER....

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Spyke Oct 18, 2009 06:56 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Can somebody find out the firmware versions that are on the affected drives?
Surely if there are J7B1 drives that have the TLER switch when other otherwise identical drives do not, the firmware should be different on them?
Since the drives are the same, you should be able to flash it to a firmware WITH the TLER switch.

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Victor_C Oct 19, 2009 09:00 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I bought 4 00U9B0 drives, was able to swithc TLER on all of them. Asked WD if they had the TLER utility, and got the good o' "we no longer "stock" that utility, sorry" email. The fact that one can "run out of stock" on "software" is quite comical, if you fully expect to be lied to and /or shat on whenever you deal with any sort of tech support.

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DL Oct 22, 2009 09:11 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Bonedigger, what's the revision on your 640gb?
Where and when did you buy them?

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Nicolas_R Oct 22, 2009 11:48 AM Reply | Bookmark
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You should check where that email is coming from by looking at the headers of the message they sent you...

It most probably doesn't actually come from them, it looks WD support is actually handled by a company specialized in this (at least it was when I contacted them).

The last time I contacted them I had to reply 2-3 times to their emails before I got an "answer" because they had not bothered to read my email completely (and their answer to my question was something like "it's not supported"...).

Don't get me wrong, I love WD hard drives but I hate their technical "support"...

Nick

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Mike_H Nov 21, 2009 07:35 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I just registered to say that I have 3 00J7B1's and only the one manufactured in September 2009 refused to enable TLER with WDTLER.EXE, the other two from April and June both enabled fine. So I guess it's just drives made after a certain date. The firmware on all of my WD1001FALS drives is 05.00K05.

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oilwings Jan 28, 2010 09:52 PM Reply | Bookmark
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oilwings Jan 29, 2010 09:29 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I just registered to say that I have 3 00J7B1's and only the one manufactured in September 2009 refused to enable TLER with WDTLER.EXE, the other two from April and June both enabled fine. So I guess it's just drives made after a certain date. The firmware on all of my WD1001FALS drives is 05.00K05.


Hey Mike, the one that did not have tler enabled is the one with the dcm # ending in "AA", "BA", "CA" right? or actually dcm # ending with the letter "A" right? The manufacturer date has nothing to do with tler enable or not. Please confirm.

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death_hawk™ Apr 02, 2010 07:58 PM Reply | Bookmark
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UPDATE: I just TLERed 18 00J7B1 drives.
These are still from the end of last year. I have a few on the shelf that I think are newer that I'll test, but the 18 drives i do have worked fine.


EDIT: I may have to purchase a new drive since all my shelfed ones are from the end of 2009.

Oh and TLERing 24 drives = NOT FUN.

This message was modified by the poster at 04 02, 2010 08:06 PM

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death_hawk™ Apr 03, 2010 08:54 PM Reply | Bookmark
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UPDATE2: So I remembered that I ordered a Black recently. I had a look at the manufacture date and it's Dec 20 2009 with a 00E3A0.
I tried TLERing it and it has the "Unable to Update"

Apparently I'll have to do some digging to find a cold spare or two. *cough*NinjaingCamelsDibsOnApollo'sDrives*cough*

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spraynpray Apr 03, 2010 08:59 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I feel like a guy busting into a room where a intense and serious conversation is going on... just wanted to ask, does TLER apply to raid 0 or raid 1? thanks.

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death_hawk™ Apr 03, 2010 09:03 PM Reply | Bookmark
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It applies to all RAID.
Basically it tells the drive that the RAID will do the error checking instead of the drive.

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spraynpray Apr 04, 2010 07:30 AM Reply | Bookmark
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hmm after 30 seconds of research, it sounds as if it's only important in bigger raid arrays in 24/7 critical servers where drives actually fail and need swapping. for a simple end consumer raid 0 (using ich10r southbridge) will I need to worry about TLER? I'm gonna try it out when my second blackie 1tb gets here though I doubt it'll work..

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death_hawk™ Apr 04, 2010 11:05 AM Reply | Bookmark
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It's not absolutely necessary even for large arrays, but it's nice to have.

RAID0 (IMO at least) is where it's most dangerous. A HDD gets an error and spends a minute recovering. RAID thinks the disk died so it kicks it out.
Now you have a broken RAID.

I'm pretty sure I had this happen on my 24 drive RAID6 a few days ago. I check the logs and it seems it was doing a recovery. I scanned the disk that it recovered from and it seemed fine. This was all before I TLERed everything.

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Mathieu_G Apr 09, 2010 09:44 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I read somewhere that when a no TLER drive is being drop ped from the array it get rebuilt... BUT it drop  again before bein rebuilt and the process never end.

Last week I booted in OS with a drive unplugged in a ICH10 raid5 when I hotplugged it back, It began rebuilding the drive ..., it took 4 day to rebuild
1.5tb

,, 4 day were I could have lost a 2nd drive and lost everything.

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death_hawk™ Apr 09, 2010 09:50 PM Reply | Bookmark
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It depends if another error causes the drive to fix itself or not.
I had a hot spare provisioned when mine errored out so it just rebuilt onto that.

But if you're in RAID5 and 2 drives to decide to error out, you will be boned.

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Mathieu_G Apr 10, 2010 07:10 AM Reply | Bookmark
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There should be a thread for
Quest at finding the last consumer grade HDD with TLER ...

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spraynpray Apr 10, 2010 11:24 AM Reply | Bookmark
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omg raid sooooo confusing, even when it's raid 0

This guy says current 1tb has TLER unlocked but my new one won't, he also mentionned that all 640's and 750's have TLER unlocked. I was gonna sell my wd black 1tb to get two 640gb's instead (again changing my mind lol)
http://www.evga.com/FORUMS/tm.aspx?m=226794&mpage=1#235835

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1285254&page=4 post #73, some guy is saying TLER shouldn't be used with raid 0 because there isn't any redundancydoes what he say make sense, or should I enable TLER anyways? Do you know where I can find a clean copy of wtler?

Thanks.

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spraynpray Apr 10, 2010 11:43 AM Reply | Bookmark
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*******n it, nevermind this 1tb I have is tler locked too. Just checked and I've also got a 00J7B1, I'm so stupid

just wondering, if I got to my local retailer, would there be any chance of my hand picking out tler unlocked drives? Which DCM/model numbers should I be looking for, both 1tb and 640gb's to make sure they've got tler?

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Mathieu_G Apr 12, 2010 09:55 AM Reply | Bookmark
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that's exaclty what I'm doing,,, Could someone with a TLER unlocked post his firmware # ?

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Euphoria Jul 10, 2010 02:32 PM Reply | Bookmark
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[url] http://rapidshare.com/files/2821776/WDTLER.zip.html [/url]

And one bad thing is that in some cases it's impossible to unlock them ...

They just lost a bunch of good customers for their mistake removing that function thinking people will turn over the RE drives ...

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ASharp™ Jul 10, 2010 09:09 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Lost customers? Maybe. A noticeable amount? Probably not.

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lsi Sep 20, 2010 03:43 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I can confirm from the standpoint of someone who implements and supports many enterprise and small business RAIDs that I buy the REx drives anyway. I'm not looking to "hack" my hardware to make it appropriate for the application, I match the appropriate hardware to the environment. I might play around with TLER in RAIDs on my own network for testing and amusement etc, but I doubt most of my clients would appreciate a decision of this variety to save a small amount of money...while I charge them to fix it when it breaks.

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death_hawk™ Sep 20, 2010 05:41 PM Reply | Bookmark
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It's not a "small amount" of money, these are literally 1/2 the price.
With a 60 second fix, they are IDENTICAL to RE drives, except for the price tag. Sure you don't get the extended life on them, but if you're deploying any number of drives, saving HALF means you can buy a bunch of cold spares in case anything does go wrong and these drives aren't available any more.

Not every business has an unlimited IT budget.

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