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Subject: Are Barracuda's bad?
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Makall Sep 17, 2012 08:50 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200RPM SATA3 64MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive - $129.99

This is 5400 RPM and costs $139.99

So the drive is slower and it costs $10 more. Both Seagate and Western Digital are reputable brands but I don't think WD is "higher quality" than Seagate.

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AmtrakQuebec Sep 17, 2012 09:35 PM Reply | Bookmark
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You are correct, there is nothing wrong with the Barracuda.

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derek_w Sep 17, 2012 09:46 PM Reply | Bookmark
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WD > Seagate.

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roach9 Sep 17, 2012 09:52 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Seagate > WD

It's totally based off of people's experiences and everyone has different experiences.

There really isn't a unanimous winner in the HD market right now (except maybe Hitachi).

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AmtrakQuebec Sep 17, 2012 09:56 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Hitachi got split off between WD and Toshiba so there is no more Hitachi, it is just a brand at this point.

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derek_w Sep 17, 2012 10:48 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Hitachi win or lose?

My 2Tb Hitachi, although loud, has been strong for years. Momentus XT 750Gb...failed after a week. Ouch.

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Lsi Sep 18, 2012 09:30 AM Reply | Bookmark
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If you get the Barracuda, make sure you get one with CC4x firmware and update  it to CC4H. They are very fast drives and good for standalone use. Seagate is unique in the magnetic drive industry in regularly offering these update s, but sadly it's often because they need them to work the way they should have in the beginning. Do not buy the CC9x version as they never fixed its firmware and they make constant head parking noises (which is what the CC4H firmware does on the other model). Seagates are great value, but my preference is WD and Hitachi although I do use the Seagate hybrids quite a bit.

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Spaceball One Sep 18, 2012 09:37 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Very much true. Seagate is not a good brand. With Western Digital at least you are getting a GOOD QUALITY drive and a superior warranty should you need to use it.

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AmtrakQuebec Sep 18, 2012 10:58 AM Reply | Bookmark
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It's funny, when Seagate had the better warranty (all their drives were 5 years versus the WD 3 years), the WD fanboys would say, "yeah, that is because they have a bad product so they have to warranty it better", and now that WD has the longer warranty they say it is a good thing... hypocrites. Each maker has good and bad products. The WD green drives suck balls and the older Barracudas (7200.11 series in particular) had some initial issues before they were fixed. The Constellation ES drives are extremely reliable and fast, and Seagate absolutely rules the server market where reliability is the most important feature (well over 60% market share) The problem we have here on NCIX is that we only see home user type people complaining (which accounts for less than 20% of all drives) and WD focuses more on the retail market since they can't compete with Seagate's quality in the enterprise space.

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derek_w Sep 18, 2012 11:15 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Seagate's alleged enterprise superiority is irrelevant to consumer drives.

I would trust even Samsung above Crashgate.

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AmtrakQuebec Sep 18, 2012 11:21 AM Reply | Bookmark
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LOL... Samsung IS Seagate.

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Space Monkey Sep 18, 2012 11:23 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Seagate bought out Samsung HDD a while ago... Might want to try that again...

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AmtrakQuebec Sep 18, 2012 11:30 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Above is a graph taken from 2010 when Seagate had their major problems with the .11 series. For those of you who can read cyrillic, you can see these are for 500gb drives. The longer bars indicate better reliability. Even at the height of their issues, the reliability of the worst Seagate drives ever was the same as WD and Samsung... Hitachi had by far the most reliable drives. But even then, it is very dependent on the model as you can see since another Seagate 500GB drive was much more reliable, as was another WD drive.

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Entz Sep 18, 2012 11:30 AM Reply | Bookmark
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The question becomes: Are samsung drives just Seagates with another sticker. Or are they still manufactured on their own, with their own employees/supplychain/designs/firmware?

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derek_w Sep 18, 2012 11:46 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Probably the latter. Crashgate factory made units fail often.

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AmtrakQuebec Sep 18, 2012 11:52 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Show us your data Derek.

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Master__Shake Sep 18, 2012 12:03 PM Reply | Bookmark
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anecdotal evidence > data

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derek_w Sep 18, 2012 12:13 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Stories are more compelling than numbers. Don't you agree?

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Lsi Sep 18, 2012 12:19 PM Reply | Bookmark
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With all the storage company changes recently, most of the product lines haven't settled into their next gen lines yet to reflect the changes. You can still buy both Samsung and Seagate architecture models, Toshiba is rebadging existing Hitachi product lines while HGST drives are still available, etc. Things will probably reflect the changes a year or so from now as existing supply levels clean up and model lines are simplified in new gen products.

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d2frm Sep 19, 2012 06:10 AM Reply | Bookmark
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qderek_w

I've used both. IME WD tends to fail less often than Seagate, HOWEVER that does not immediately imply WD is indeed better than Seagate.

Take your blinders off and try again.

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Blacknight3 Sep 19, 2012 06:22 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Not at all. For every 1 person that had a bad experience that posts about it, there are probably 10 (or more) that had a good experience that will never say anything.

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Spudnik Sep 19, 2012 07:07 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I have had all sorts of drives. I have never had a Seagate drive fail, though I did skip the 7200.11 generation. Like most products, failure/reliability should be considered per model or model year, rather than the entire brand itself.

What's the point in *****ing about how bad a company is in terms of reliability, then said company gets their act together and fixes the problems that they had, only to have you still *****ing about their reliability?

Anecdotal evidence: I've had two WDs and one Hitachi drive fail me. No Seagate drives, ever.

Therefore: Seagate > Hitachi > WD

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Master__Shake Sep 19, 2012 07:17 AM Reply | Bookmark
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i had a 250 gb Maxtor IDE drive fail on me...i got a new one from rma and its in my ps2 right now 9 years later.

sometimes its the luck of the draw.

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Radig1337 Sep 19, 2012 09:23 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Recently had a four or five year old Seagate die on me. I went to the website, entered the serial and was happy to see it was still under warranty.

I chose the advanced replacement option. 9.99+ tax to have a new, better unit immediately shipped via two day air. Sent the defective unit back with the provided prepaid shipping label when I received it.

Far as I'm concerned that's about as good as it gets. I'll be buying SG from now on unless the warranty terms change.


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Radig1337 Sep 19, 2012 09:28 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Wow pretty much exactly the same here. I had a 200gb maxtor die, sent for RMA and it is probably around 9 years old now still in my rig as a secondary backup. The original lasted only a few years and the RMA process for Maxtor at least back then was awful, I think it was over a month before I received a replacement.

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derek_w Sep 19, 2012 09:41 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Maxtor was indeed awful, but I would still take one over current Seagate.

Knock on wood that my replacement Momentus XT doesn't fail on me again!

Also, I was obviously being facetious about anecdotes > hard data.

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Imperfect Sep 19, 2012 09:41 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I guess you're not going to buy Seagate as their warranties are now 1-3 years like all other brands unless you go for the higher end series.

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Kevin_M Sep 19, 2012 10:53 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I have two or three current gen 7200RPM Seagate Barracuda's and they are quiet and fast, haven't had any sign of anything wrong with them.

You don't need 5400rpm for storage, it really doesn't save much power or provide any more reliability.

Considering the price of the current Barracuda's I would get them over WD. The WD red drives look good, but I'm still not convinced their worth the price.

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Lsi Sep 19, 2012 11:08 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Seagate dropped their 5 year warranties on high end products (such as the Momentus XT) down to 3 years as well with their warranty changes. Apparently they relented on their crappy 1 year warranty and current shipping products are now 2 years on the entry level stuff.

Speaking of Maxtor, I just pulled a DiamondMax 10 200GB SATA1 RAID-1 pair out of an older server to upgrade performance...they've been running 24-7 since early 2005. Seagate's nice warranty handling now (advance exchange etc) was something they didn't have until they bought Maxtor, which Maxtor and WD were offering at the time. Seagate's current process (as previously mentioned) is ideal with the cheap prepaid $10 advance exchange option.

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Kramy Sep 19, 2012 02:57 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Heh. The warranties are 1yr now.

Quote: (Radig1337 @ Sep 19 2012, 09:23 AM)

Seagate dropped their 5 year warranties on high end products (such as the Momentus XT) down to 3 years as well with their warranty changes. Apparently they relented on their crappy 1 year warranty and current shipping products are now 2 years on the entry level stuff.

I think that was just a rumour going around? The last few Seagate drives that I checked had 1yr warranties, and their website confirms this?

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i had a 250 gb Maxtor IDE drive fail on me...i got a new one from rma and its in my ps2 right now 9 years later.

My Raptor lasted 9 years of daily use. Then I left that computer off for a month and a half, and when I fired it back up it was dead. I guess giving it a break killed it.

My parents have an old DOS computer used for some billing program - it's running ancient Fujitsu drives. (About 1.5-4.5GB in size) It gets 18/5 weekly use, and has been operational for more than 15 years. In that time it has gone through 3 power supplies, 5 fans, and no other components.

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