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 LATEST TOPICS |  FORUMS » FOLDING @ HOME » SHORT IN BIGADV ?...
Subject: Short in Bigadv ?
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][' [[]] [[]] [[_ Nov 04, 2011 06:15 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Do you have problem to get some bigadv wu??
Since last week both of my bigadv rigs have problems to get them. Its like.. 2 normals Wu and then 1 big, 2 normal wu .. etc.

Do Stanford are short in bigadv ?

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Bear Pusher Nov 04, 2011 06:35 AM Reply | Bookmark
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quite possible they're running short, I'm running linux and I've had 2 normal wu's today.

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Entz Nov 04, 2011 07:37 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Yeah it seems to happen from time to time.

Both of my bigadv rigs have been pulling A3s for the past day or so. Fortunately P6099s aren't too bad.

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Gav777 Nov 04, 2011 07:56 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Same; 6099s for me to running linux via vmware.

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Stiles Nov 04, 2011 07:59 AM Reply | Bookmark
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last few days ive had some babies mixed in with my 6900 6901, guess its not just me :P

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Tim_H Nov 04, 2011 09:12 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Yeah, just noticed I have a 6901 right now instead of bigbeta.

Also it appears that Stanford i prioritizing regular SMP work over bigadv
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037976748&postcount=6

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][' [[]] [[]] [[_ Nov 04, 2011 10:20 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Thank you Tim_H for the information

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Raftus Nov 04, 2011 10:51 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Also, evga is running a folding contest and grabbing a ton of the bigadv wus.

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Dead Things Nov 04, 2011 10:58 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Part of a larger problem in which PG just doesn't have enough people folding GPU and regular SMP. That's not to say there are too many people folding bigadv, because there is no such thing as too many folders. But there is a definite shortage of GPU and SMP folders these days.

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Doug_the_Slug Nov 04, 2011 04:01 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I've always wondered about these repercussions of newer science/units with point rewards that dwarf the rest.

I run only SMP and GPU, but that's just cause I don't have any bigadv capable hardware...

Heck, that's why I still run a uniproc version on one of my little old celery servers in the basement. They need some <3 too!

In the end, it's a tough balance to reach. The only way to truly solve this is to say make an SMP unit running on a quad core worth 4x a uniproc WU running on the same hardware (and so on bigadv<->smp). Since that isn't the case (and would likely cause worldwide nerdrage) people will optimize for the best point return for their hardware.

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Dead Things Nov 04, 2011 06:27 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Big changes are afoot. All rumours and no fact at this point, and I won't speculate what may or may not be coming down the pike. But there will probably be an announcement in the next couple of weeks regarding this.

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Entz Nov 04, 2011 06:31 PM Reply | Bookmark
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All they need to do is re-balance the points. I have no problem folding SMP A3s, or having them mixed/alternating , but I don't like the 50-60% PPD drop a lot of them have. I am sure people just delete their work directories and start again if they get something undesirable.



Interesting... Any thread pointers to rumours?

Edit: Some day I will get quotes right ;)

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Dead Things Nov 04, 2011 06:43 PM Reply | Bookmark
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As I said, I don't want to speculate or cause excitement. I just know that Vijay has re-engaged the DAB with some innocuous questions about general issues or areas for improvement. But note the quote [H]'s DAB rep Kendrak posts here: http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037971858&postcount=18.

"...I still have the feeling that big adv SMP is still over valued..."

Right now, [H] is the only forum discussing the recent DAB developments, which is why I am cautious about interpreting what is being said in that thread.

Oh, and for those who don't know what the DAB is... the Donor Advisory Board is a group designed to facilitate communication between the Pande Group and folders. It is made up of Vijay, bruce from FF and a representative from each of the top five teams - EVGA, [H], OCN, Overclockers and MaxPC.

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007quick Nov 04, 2011 10:34 PM Reply | Bookmark
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And soon to be... NCIX.com Forum Folding :)

Well... once we recruit all the computers in Canada, that is.

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Dead Things Nov 04, 2011 11:19 PM Reply | Bookmark
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We're only about 3 billion points out of fifth. We'll get there a lot faster if you'd hurry up and build already!

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007quick Nov 05, 2011 09:03 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I'm going as fast as the parts will arive now :)

Got a quote for the mobo and heatsinks and they are supposed to be ordered in within a week or two. Here's hoping

Just have to order the ram now.

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][' [[]] [[]] [[_ Nov 10, 2011 12:56 PM Reply | Bookmark
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no more news about the come back of the bigadv ?
Only still have a3 ..   :fdwn:

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Dead Things Nov 10, 2011 01:43 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Here's what I have observed regarding this issue: 12+ core machines continue to get bigadv and bigbeta units with little to no interruption. 8 core machines have been getting reg SMP units almost exclusively. Meanwhile, many 8 core machines fortunate enough to download a P6900 unit have found that the unit appears to be corrupt, giving a FILE_IO_ERROR.

These findings might appear to support a hypothesis that PG is transitioning bigadv from a min core count of 8 to 12 to increase the number of machines available to complete reg SMP work. But until we have more than just circumstantial evidence to that effect or we get an official announcement, it remains a hypothesis.

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Entz Nov 10, 2011 01:59 PM Reply | Bookmark
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PG has also said they are moving around some of the BA servers and things will up and down for the next few weeks, so it might just be a logistical issue.

I do know they want more people working on A3s as there is a huge number of them out there and they need the science done. So they may have just filtered the number of A5s .

I wouldn't be surprised if they do the above, especially considering 4/6 (Faking 8) to 8 core CPUs are very common now. Likely to be the new targets for A3s (7054/6099 etc love them)

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][' [[]] [[]] [[_ Nov 10, 2011 04:27 PM Reply | Bookmark
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so, maybe i should install the ubuntu on my second i7 rig and cheat the cores number and try to run 6903 wu


Thanks DT and EntZ

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Dead Things Nov 10, 2011 06:06 PM Reply | Bookmark
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No, I would not recommend doing that at all.

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cabby Nov 10, 2011 11:15 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Many of the A-3 units that I have been getting are actually performing as well as the BigAdv.

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Tim_H Jan 11, 2012 06:41 AM Reply | Bookmark
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anyone else notice a shortage in bigbeta again? i've been getting only bigadv for the past few days.

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Entz Jan 11, 2012 07:41 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Havent noticed a problem myself ( in 2 rigs ). Though when you are only getting WUs every 2 ish days it is hard to tell.

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AmtrakQuebec Jan 11, 2012 08:28 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Has there been any update  on when exactly the changes will occur? I was going to switch over to a vmWare/Linux build to get the BigAdv (since they don't seem to be available under Windows/v7 anymore) but since the change is supposed to be any time now I thought I would wait and see. Unless anyone has news that suggests the changes are being delayed quite a bit??

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Gav777 Jan 11, 2012 08:51 AM Reply | Bookmark
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The original announcement by Prof. Pande reads "no earlier than on Monday January 16, 2012. ", so it's really anyone's guess at this point it seems.

I've seen nothing but A3 core work units on 2600k rig, and all A5 (6903 & 6904) on SB-E hexacore box. At least from what I've seen there's no more of the 'medium' sized bigadv wu's like the 6900 & 6901's, it either small units with 500-600 base points or the huge ones that take 3-5 days to complete.

Edit: Should note that both of these are running vmware/linux.

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AmtrakQuebec Jan 11, 2012 09:02 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Yeah, it seems they've pretty much been sucked dry everywhere now (HPCS is probably having a fairly big impact too)... I guess I got into this at the wrong time with my 12-core box, oh smell. Well, maybe now they'll put a new emphasis on the high-end GPU's... I've got over 2,000 CUDA cores now :)

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Gav777 Jan 11, 2012 09:11 AM Reply | Bookmark
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On the bright side, they will probably be a glut of used 2600k rigs for sale in the near future as those that spoofed their # of cores to get the hugeadv can't make the new deadlines.

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Entz Jan 11, 2012 09:16 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Your 6T/12C core box should have no problems completing the A5 6903/6904s, especially if you have it overclocked. I would stick with that imo. Heck my 3930k gives significantly better PPD/TPF than my dedicated 16 core DP AMD rig.

This is where I have a philosophical issue with the changes and will cheat the number of cores if I have to. i.e. If my 6C/12T 3930k is 20-30% faster on bigbetas than a 16 core AMD box isn't that more useful to the science. Restricting just based on core count is bad ... Oh well we will see what happens.

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Tim_H Jan 11, 2012 10:26 AM Reply | Bookmark
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That's weird as I've seen only bigadv (6901) and no bigbeta (6903,6904) on my dual opteron machine for the past few days. must be luck of the draw.

Quote: (Entz l Jan 11, 2012 09:16 AM)

Restricting just based on core count is bad

I agree, to that note i recall reading at either folfingforum or [H] that pandegroup is planning or working on or talked about implementing a benchmark of some kind to rate performance rather than rely on simply the core count.

*edit for multi quote fail, again

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