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PANDE PUTS THE SMACK DOWN ON FTL...
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Pande puts the smack down on FTL

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JayDee Mar 09, 2009 12:24 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Well the FTL team has been kicked in the hind-quarters.

Looks like the points are being zeroed out but Stanford shouldn't send WU's to anyone with that team number = It's fine if people choose to fold but this backdoor stuff needs to be put down permanently IMO...

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=149135

Topic URL: http://forums.ncix.com/forums/topic.php?id=1971155

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loggerbomb Mar 09, 2009 12:55 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I'm lost, someone care to explain?

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Alter3d Reality Alter3d Reality Moderator Mar 09, 2009 01:18 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I was confused too until a Google search turned this up: http://www.devhardware.com/forums/dev-folding-29/stanford-removes-team-ftl-226361.html

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m1dget haz a PII :O (AR is GAWD!) Mar 09, 2009 01:36 PM Reply | Bookmark
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In AR's link ^

That's some nice BS of them

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loggerbomb Mar 09, 2009 01:53 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Pretty smart too.

I thought it was going to be something like that. Didn't think folding would get that competitive, but than again we are talking about geeks and nerds here. I guess it would be something akin to what the Patriots did a while back. Got to get that edge, no matter what.

So, do the people who unwittingly got suckered know they are folding? Seems funny that people who would use TPB wouldn't know they got 'infected' by FeH.

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Lucineri Mar 09, 2009 01:56 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Well, this explains why "Anonymous" is their top folder...

Pretty sad though that people feel the need to cheat when there is no real reward apart from helping researchers in their research.

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JayDee Mar 09, 2009 02:09 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Heh... I posted in the folding forum so I didn't elaborate but ya it was/is a scam for folding points = strange eh...



Ya they didn't know.

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loggerbomb Mar 09, 2009 02:24 PM Reply | Bookmark
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No, I meant have they been made aware since this news broke? Are they going to be charged or anything?

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Dead Things Dead Things Vip Member Folding Team Moderator Mar 09, 2009 02:42 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I still can't figure out why they would do this. Maybe they had some sort of sponsorship deal with a financial incentive that hinged on points. I don't know how likely that is, though. Seems totally bizarre to me that somebody would cheat just for folding points in and of themselves.

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JayDee Mar 09, 2009 02:55 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I doubt the people have been "made aware" by Stanford or anyone else because Stanford doesn't have the email of it's folders as it's completely informal. The IP's could be tracked but that would be a PITA that's reserved for major crimes I'd think.

As for getting charged there isn't any law broken as far a folding goes but I suppose the copyright cops could try to get them due to the way they chose to distribute

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Adam_C NCIX.com Staff Mar 09, 2009 03:09 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Hmm this whole folding thing is getting far too egocentric and epeen-like. I suppose its all for a good cause (buying more hardware from ncix!)

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l-lunter l-lunter Mar 09, 2009 03:38 PM Reply | Bookmark
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*stares at DH and Hyperlight*

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Lucineri Mar 09, 2009 04:00 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Forgetting Dead Things there aren't we??

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death_hawk™ Moderator Mar 09, 2009 06:23 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I just fold because the hardware is there (mostly) doing nothing anyway.

Granted, there's a few extra GPUs I've put towards folding, but nothing real special.

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m1dget haz a PII :O (AR is GAWD!) Mar 09, 2009 06:31 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Then why not just sell the useless hardware instead of folding?

I mean fold on your main rig when its doing nothing but from that to have x k$ of equipment just to do that is a bit on the crazy side

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death_hawk™ Moderator Mar 09, 2009 07:55 PM Reply | Bookmark
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None of it is "extra" it's all be utilized in another form.

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Hyperlight Moderator Mar 09, 2009 09:07 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Well I needed the comps for servers. Exchange, SQL, web, VPN ect. Well comps need video cards, so I could use crummy ones or spend a bit more and get ones that fold. Might as well since it goes to a good cause. My other "breed" of comps are LANboxes. They naturally have good vids and sit idle when there are no LANs going on, again why not fold?

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AskGreg™ Mar 09, 2009 09:14 PM Reply | Bookmark
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If it was creating that much folding, why would they make them not want to do it anymore.

Since the outcome was all good, this can now have the effect of less good happening.
Atleast thats how I see it, should of just left it alone, you can't cheat , whats been folded, regardless of those who were folding being aware they were on your team or folding at all.

Unfortunately, its about points competition to PANDE too,

I've installed and folded on computers that were not mine and without the owner being aware (my dads pc), so they should 0 out my points too then.

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10e Folding Team Mar 10, 2009 04:25 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Isn't this a folding thread? ;)

I don't think I'd mind if FTL did "anonymous" and "default" as their user/team, but since they did "Team FTL" I'm glad they were penalized. The work's been done, so the good has been served.

I just don't know how they are going to stop them from continuing to do it.

I guess these people/victims have never heard of "control alt delete" > task manager? I'd be curious as to why my PC is showing 20% utilization for no reason.

Either way, it's just a penalty, and they will "re-pass" the same teams they passed in the, errr, past.

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Zarg Vip Member Mar 10, 2009 05:10 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Installing clients on computers without the computer's owner knowing about it is illegal. The rules are quite clear about that. In some cases people have been let go because of installations on work computer. For family members and friends, it is more a matter of politeness.
edit: removed stuff that I can't confirm


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AskGreg™ Mar 10, 2009 05:16 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Wow, had legitimate folders too 900+ of them and the whole teams points got nuked.

What if they applied the ncix team # to this trogan instead?
How would you all feel with ncix's score getting nuked to 0

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JayDee Mar 10, 2009 06:14 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I don't look at that way at all.

If I walk up to a Salvation Army Santa and drop  $10 in the kettle that's cool but if the Santa picks my pocket and puts it in the kettle that's not cool - still the same good cause but I want it to be my decision to support it or not.
Only the government has the right to pick our pockets without consent for any purpose they desire

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AskGreg™ Mar 10, 2009 08:22 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Yes, but in this case.
Team FTL had over 900 legitimate members.
and due to 1 or possible 2 members of team ftl, this has happened.
or maybe a competing team's member to get team ftl kicked out

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Ratchet Mar 10, 2009 10:05 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Hey, am I the only one who stumbled into this thread thinking it was about Battlestar Galactica?

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Dead Things Dead Things Vip Member Folding Team Moderator Mar 10, 2009 11:25 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Yes. Just you.

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10e Folding Team Mar 17, 2009 05:03 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I agree with that, except if you were standing next to Salvation Army Santa and stealing Far Cry 2 NoCD CRACKers off the shelf and were victimized because that's where your focus was, it's really a case of two wrongs not making a right. Both are illegal, and some extremists would say "you got what you deserve".

It's too bad, because sometimes those NoCD "updates" are helpful when draconian DRM policies require a user to jump through hoops to use a game they purchased. Funny enough, the thread on FoldingForum where it was first detected, was a folder who was wondering why his machine was folding poorly :)

The reason I said I didn't mind, is because while I don't do it (and my electrical bills will reflect it), others borg work machines and family/friend machines, which is kind of a system of "bartering" help for folding points (in a sense).

So if I were to apply the same black and white mentality then I would say "no borging whatsoever", but that would be extreme and too absolute for my Canadian sensibilities :)

What Team FTL did was illegal and against F at H rules and borging is (at least) not against folding at home rules, though may (at times) be illegal if work machines are involved.

Either way, I don't think penalizing them is going to change anything. I unfortunately think they should be shut down. Really no more should be expected by team members if they are just joining a "software group" for folding anyways. FTL has been around for some time and makes some really nice .NFO files ;)

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Scubascythan Mar 18, 2009 11:46 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Their scheme is working. They're outputting almost as much as EVGA is, except they have five thousand users outputting under 500PPD lol. This is funny and scary at the same time. Yes it's wrong/illegal at what they're doing but shows both how much more potential processing power is out there, as well as a very vague percentage of their 'market' outreach.

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Preytor Vip Member Mar 18, 2009 12:05 PM Reply | Bookmark
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTL_(Battlestar_Galactica)?

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Scubascythan Mar 18, 2009 12:07 PM Reply | Bookmark
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They're a software 'modifying' group that use the same name.

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JayDee Mar 18, 2009 12:50 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (10e @ Mar 17 2009, 05:03 AM)

agree with that, except if you were standing next to Salvation Army Santa and stealing Far Cry 2 NoCD CRACKers off the shelf and were victimized because that's where your focus was, it's really a case of two wrongs not making a right. Both are illegal, and some extremists would say "you got what you deserve".

It's too bad, because sometimes those NoCD "updates" are helpful when draconian DRM policies require a user to jump through hoops to use a game they purchased. Funny enough, the thread on FoldingForum where it was first detected, was a folder who was wondering why his machine was folding poorly

The reason I said I didn't mind, is because while I don't do it (and my electrical bills will reflect it), others borg work machines and family/friend machines, which is kind of a system of "bartering" help for folding points (in a sense).

So if I were to apply the same black and white mentality then I would say "no borging whatsoever", but that would be extreme and too absolute for my Canadian sensibilities

What Team FTL did was illegal and against F at H rules and borging is (at least) not against folding at home rules, though may (at times) be illegal if work machines are involved.

Either way, I don't think penalizing them is going to change anything. I unfortunately think they should be shut down. Really no more should be expected by team members if they are just joining a "software group" for folding anyways. FTL has been around for some time and makes some really nice .NFO files

Ahhh... you know that aspect of things didn't occur to me at all.
Ya you do have a point there

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