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Subject: How Global Collapse Will Be Sold To The Masses.
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Calypso Jan 31, 2013 05:56 PM Reply | Bookmark
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This guy is out there. Do they really mean us harm?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-31/guest-post-linchpin-lie-how-global-collapse-will-be-sold-masses

Topic URL: http://forums.ncix.com/forums/topic.php?id=2588526

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Analbumcover Jan 31, 2013 06:22 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Here's the 411 on the modern day "conspiracy theorists" or the alternative news media for lack of a better term.

All they know is government bad, government bad, government bad. I want guns, God, gold. I love "capitalism". I love freedom. Blah, blah, blah, fill in the blanks.

They think government controlling capitalism is fascism, socialism, communism, Marxism, collectivism, etc. You see some of those terms don't belong with each other but since they don't know the meanings they like to throw them around like nobody's business.

What they really are are pawns of the capitalists. They denounce vehemently, protest, and riot against any responsibility to care for their fellow man especially if done through government action but when government done something for the benefit of the ultra rich elite like tax cuts for the rich, the most they can do is think they are a winner because after all it will trickle onto them.

FYI, fascism is the capitalist forces controlling the government not the other way around. It's not even a partnership of government and capitalists as if such a thing could exist. Government is supposed to be the people. Yes, the majority of the people should have authority to do what is in the interest of the majority. It's not the rich minority's right to have the majority serve them. A life is a life, a vote is a vote unless it's a rich vote? $1 = 1 vote that's the world you want?

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Amokläufer Jan 31, 2013 07:12 PM Reply | Bookmark
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(Reuters) China tells U.S. to slow money printing presses

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/25/us-davos-currencies-idUSBRE90O10620130125

Money printing by the americans, billions of dollars each and every month, is this also a conspiracy theory?

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DJZ Jan 31, 2013 08:19 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Holy mother of God, did you sleep throughout college? Did you go at all?

If you had bothered, you'd understand why the US sometimes increases their monetary mass, and there are a whole bunch of reasons why China, which fixes the value of its currency, would rather not see a devaluation of the currency that they're owed, and the currency of the country that they do extensive business with. China has stakes in the USD, and by increasing the monetary mass, they could get their credit rating lowered, which would by extension reduce the value of billions of dollars in Chinese investments.

Why would it be a conspiracy theory? Maybe I'm misreading you, but this is simply a normal day in the land of capitalism. Money is being handled, there are inevitably advantages and disadvantages, and therefore some people are happy and others aren't. It's just how it goes. There's no evil mastermind, just suits behaving like suits.

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Amokläufer Jan 31, 2013 08:39 PM Reply | Bookmark
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And when Zimbawe is printing money, is this also good and normal capitalism?
How about when Germany did the same thing in the 1920's ?

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DJZ Jan 31, 2013 08:51 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I don't want to be rude, right - I don't... but you're displaying so much ignorance it's not even funny.

The US prints money strategically in order to keep its inflation rate to desirable levels to stimulate the economy. Every country, not just the US, manipulates the value of its currency and the "speed" of its economy using various tools. Canada for instance, without the interference of aliens, radiations, free masons or the Illuminati, is able to print more money, which it does - and it has also created the Bank of Canada which sets the interest rate.

These are regular tools... they're not even underground. But of course you can refer to countries which have mismanaged their fiat currencies and call it a day. Genius...

I don't know if you're a troll or incredibly uneducated and absurdly comfortable talking about things that you clearly don't understand even in their most basic forms. I'm reasonably convinced that it's the latter, and you're badly in need of an econ 101 class.

The teacher will be happy tell you why Canada prints money and the BoC messes with the interest rate to respond to the economic situation. You'll be surprised to learn that every capitalist country uses vaguely the same tools to manage their economy. (Wow!!!)

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Clucker Jan 31, 2013 09:36 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Today's economy isn't 1920's economy.

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Amokläufer Jan 31, 2013 09:47 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Listen college boy, the US has been printing money ever since they abandonned the gold standard back in the 1970's and this was the cause of the stagflation back then. But now, they are printing money on a very large scale to monetize their huge 14 trillions debt and you find this normal and good? Further, they intend to do this indefinatly. They are just creating a bubble just like the housing bubble crash of 2007 but next time it will be the last bubble.

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DJZ Jan 31, 2013 09:57 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Monetize their 14 trillions debt eh.
That reminds me of that one time when I learned that there just had to be critical anomalies within the enhanced stumped gravity dampener. Expanding the quantum energy just might fix everything. Also, we can monetize our 14 trillions debt.

College boy says lol to you, Dumpster boy.

You know who else intends to print money forever? Every country. And that's why there's inflation everywhere, and that's why 50 years ago you could get a house for $10000 and now you essentially can't. But also with all that money-printing came uh... well all the good stuff you own. And you think it's a conspiracy? You're too blind to see that this is just the evolution of capitalism. And if you don't think it's sustainable, write a paper and lay down your arguments. Explain why you think the dreaded "last one" will happen, explain why you think the next economic downturn will be the last!

Good night sweetpea<3.

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Amokläufer Jan 31, 2013 10:22 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Well it looks like college boy has no notion of scale. Printing money is one thing but printing money to buy back your own treasury bunds because nobody wants to buy enough of them anymore is another ball game entirely.
But don't you worry, just go back to your fake news and hollywood celebrities and pretend that that all is well.

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Stiles Jan 31, 2013 11:20 PM Reply | Bookmark
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blah blah blah

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AEO Feb 01, 2013 01:51 AM Reply | Bookmark
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FYI, zerohedge is one of the nuttier sites. Just less so than others. Still doesn't change the fact it's nutty.

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d2frm Feb 01, 2013 12:55 PM Reply | Bookmark
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You're mixing two very different situations into one. First, Weimar Germany:


Germany was amongst the losers in WWI. Back then the victors didn't care about giving it hell. The country basically had no money to pay reparations, so it had to print money - the net effect being massive inflation that destroyed the German economy and Hitler's rise, because remember, people would absolutely elect ANYONE who can get the masses out of the high hell they were in. Even if the guy being elected is more than a little functionally insane.
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And when Zimbawe is printing money, is this also good and normal capitalism?

Here's the thing: nobody cares about Zimbabwe, and you can thank Robert Mugabe for that. He single-handedly destroyed everything that used to make his country a relatively prosperous oasis in a dry sea of fail, simply because he hates white people (not joking about that one!). The agricultural sector is in tatters, there is no economy to speak of, its "land repatriation program" is a disaster, and nobody in their right minds would use the Zimbabwe Dollar as it's so worthless from the get-go.

If anyone wants to repair that country, Mugabe and its followers have to give up their controlling powers - and that is not going to happen anytime soon.

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Analbumcover Feb 01, 2013 03:05 PM Reply | Bookmark
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This obsession with gold, inflation/deflation, monetary policy, etc. is again another example of being pawns of the capitalists.

A loaf of bread can cost $100 or $1 million, if you don't have a source of income/a job, you are not going to eat either way.

Who benefits from high interest rates? The rich person with billions in the bank or the schmuck who is lucky to have a few thousand in savings for a rainy day? Who is going to collect more in usury effectively being rewarded for doing nothing?

Who is affected by inflation? The rich person with billions now has effectively millions BUT still owns all the means of production so it's only a matter of time before they recoup any losses. Boo hoo. Or the indebted masses who in theory should now have an easier time paying off debts with more money in the system?

Banking is just a softer form of feudalism which the capitalists would like to go to if they had it their way. In the old days, only the nobility could own land. The peasants lived and worked the land and were expected to give an amount of their produce to the Lord. Today, it's no different except replace land with capital (i.e. money) and you are expected to pay a fee (interest) for use of capital.

(Any system with the concept of private property is capitalism. There are specialized systems (i.e. branches of capitalism) that all fall under capitalism.)

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DJZ Feb 01, 2013 03:28 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Fake... news... You get back to your fake understanding of economics. The idea that the US would be able to print money in order to pay off their debt shows such a gross misunderstanding of how it works... That's why they can only print so much, and it's not huge amounts either - look at the figures simpleton, you say I have no notion of scale but do you realize how much money circulates in the US? Printing a few billions a year just adjusts the value of the currency. And it's not used for debt service either... The US isn't exactly leading the austerity charge.

Learn your ****.

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DJZ Feb 01, 2013 03:29 PM Reply | Bookmark
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... This obsession with reality has to do with the fact that it's reality.

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d2frm Feb 01, 2013 05:55 PM Reply | Bookmark
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1. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
2. The next bubble will not be the last.
3. You are nuts.
4. See #1.
Quote: (Amokläufer @ Jan 31 2013, 09:47 PM)

Well it looks like college boy has no notion of scale. Printing money is one thing but printing money to buy back your own treasury bunds because nobody wants to buy enough of them anymore is another ball game entirely.
But don't you worry, just go back to your fake news and hollywood celebrities and pretend that that all is well.

5. Conspiracy theory sites do one thing really good - they scare the bejeezus out of you. When you are thoroughly scared, they have you by the balls, and you become their own pawn, waiting to be controlled and herded like chess pieces.

And you are this dumb enough to preach all this doom and gloom for them.

Yanno, FOX News south of the border is hiring. They can use a crazy person like you. Better yet, if you keep up the scare tactics, you can be Sarah Palin's running mate in 2016!
6. See #1.

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AEO Feb 01, 2013 07:45 PM Reply | Bookmark
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^ Those people are typically called Sheeple. Fox does not hire Sheeple, they hire herders.


The thing that makes conspiracy theories popular is that they are hard to discredit, despite being easy to postulate.

Like the Expanding Earth hypothesis. It's stupid, because for there to be growth, the earth would need to consume something else at a consistent rate. Not to mention, if the size and mass changed, so would the gravitational pull and time needed to complete one orbit around the sun.

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DJZ Feb 02, 2013 09:02 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Even when they're easy to discredit, people like to feel like they're part of a small group of people who have a superior understanding of whatever is going on.

My brother has always been easy to influence, which led him to live a pretty rotten life lately. Notably there's one of his friends and that guy's father who are very much into conspiracy theories and all kinds of supernatural stuff - aliens, ghosts, etc. to name a few.

To give you guys a few examples
1- He believes that there's a planet exactly like Earth on the other side of the Sun, and there are people on it - but "the government" doesn't want us to know.
2- The Illuminati controls everything, as evidenced by a deck of card from 1995 which "predicted" events that occurred.
3- Every famous person belongs to some sort of powerful cult, as evidenced by the fact that many of them have said that they've "sold their soul to the devil". He showed me a video of Katy Perry saying she sold her soul to the devil, and told me to watch a bunch of other videos on youtube...
4- He doesn't say how it works, but he doesn't believe that Earth revolves around the Sun, or the moon revolves around Earth.

There are obvious problems with those things:
1- Despite the fact that we can't see behind the sun from here, we have tools that would allow us to know if there was. Do we have hundreds of thousands of astronomers just sitting quietly on this madly important information?
2- You guys can google "1995 illuminati cards", there are hundreds of cards displaying disasters of some kind. Most of them are meaningless, but some conspiracy theorists cling onto the "relevant" ones because any shoddy evidence is sufficient for them.
3- When I told him that that's an expression, he just kind of ignored it and continued his insane ramble about how those artists were literally publicly saying that they had sold their actual souls to the devil.
4- Well that's adorable.


So I guess what I'm trying to say is, even when conspiracy theories are easy to discredit, they hold up for many people because they require very little evidence to believe in something AND require an insurmountable amount of evidence to admit that they're wrong. Essentially they have faith.

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Amokläufer Feb 02, 2013 10:37 AM Reply | Bookmark
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So basicaly you're saying that the governement would never dare to commit gross illegals acts against it's own population because the media is independent and free and commited to the truth?

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AEO Feb 02, 2013 11:07 AM Reply | Bookmark
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To answer that question, ask yourself this: Who owns the government?


If you need a hint. In whose interest is the government serving?

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DJZ Feb 02, 2013 11:28 AM Reply | Bookmark
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The government does commit illegal acts against its population, and the population of other countries all the time. The media misreports stuff, but it's not necessarily as big and flashy as conspiracy theorists would like to believe. We know for instance about many of the atrocities that are committed by the US army overseas, and we also know that we're only aware of a tiny fraction of it.

That said, all the governments in the world are guilty of all kinds of bad things, typically it's because men want to make money, or have power, or both. But what are you asking for? For the government to be perfectly clean? Look at the general population, it doesn't matter where you are, where there are people, there is dishonesty, murder, crime...

People grossly overestimate the scale or the level coordination of the various "organizations" that do shady business. It's because it's interesting to feel like you're in the middle of something grandiose. Reading about this is funny because you have these folks who talk about these super secretive organizations, except a bunch of teenagers and mentally unstable folks are in on their schemes...

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d2frm Feb 02, 2013 03:26 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Or just admit you are a nutcase.

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Amokläufer Feb 02, 2013 04:04 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Can you please elaborate, sir ? Because you are making some serious accusations here.

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d2frm Feb 02, 2013 04:34 PM Reply | Bookmark
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...

Why do you need more proof that greed is more trustworthy than stupidity?

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AEO Feb 02, 2013 04:34 PM Reply | Bookmark
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^ example: MKUltra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

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DJZ Feb 02, 2013 04:35 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I'm not making serious accusation, I'm pointing out the obvious. The government technically speaking owns the "monopoly of legitimate violence" - in other word, it gives itself the exclusive right to make use of violence to deal with problems. This goes for its internal affairs (where police is mostly concerned) and its external affairs (where the military is concerned).

Unfortunately and this is nothing new, both the police and the military are handled by the government, and both of them are constituted of men. Given that the police and the army are extensions of the executive power, we can say that when a police officer commits commits a crime against a citizen whom he's supposed to serve and protect, it's a gross overreach mandated by the government, especially when said police officer is not punished for it (this tends to be the case, as we know too well). As for the military, you know the story. A bunch of rich occidentals barge into a poor country of the Middle East, shoots at "insurgents", guns down a few innocent brown people including women, children and babies - ain't no thang, we read about it on news, get angry for 3-4 minutes and then it's taco time, nobody cares, we file it under collateral because War Crimes need not apply on mighty white warlords. Would you call this a conspiracy? I don't. It's largely out in the open now, and who's plotting against you? It's for your benefit, you smartypants middle class white fellow. We can all live our dumb meaningless lives, buy big TVs and guns to have some sense of security, and we can sleep well at night knowing that better men than ourselves are out there blowing up civilians in a remote location under false pretenses of freedom. Rest assured that your best interest is protected - and if anything your government is going out of its way to enrich you by plundering others. That's why you've got stacks of cool stuff and this uneducated kid in India works for a boss who's contract heavily favors the occidental multinational behemoth company.

But still where's the conspiracy? All this vile **** is done with the obvious goal of furthering the cause of occidentals, at the detriment of the other countries which we trample over.

And since you tend to extrapolate what I say into something completely different, let me be extremely clear. The fact that I don't think there are any relevant conspiracies in our governments doesn't mean that I think the government is perfectly clean. There are plots to commit fraud, there are corrupt politicians, there are schemes to make Mark think Sophia slept with Frank from human resources, but none of it is part of any kind of massive scheme or anything like that.

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Amokläufer Feb 02, 2013 05:25 PM Reply | Bookmark
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What you mention is low level abuses by governement. I was talking about gross abuses. The other person above mentionned MKULTRA, which is a proven conspiracy. It's proven because the media made documentaries 30 some years after the facts.

Imagine that, your beloved gubbermint chemically tortured innocents citizens and destroyed their lives. Where was the media when this was happenning? I bet the victims were called nutters and they were dismissed as crazies right?

But you still trust the system right? They governement would never do anything like that again, right?

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DJZ Feb 02, 2013 05:36 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Wait so the government did reprehensible things during the cold war? This is news to me, very surprising.

I don't know how this deserves the title of conspiracy though, unless all military secrets which have violated all kinds of human rights are all conspiracies.

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Calypso Feb 02, 2013 05:48 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Yup. 100%
Quote: (Amokläufer @ Feb 02 2013, 05:25 PM)

They governement would never do anything like that again, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuCCgQsyq8s
http://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressrelease/2013-01-19/annual-income-richest-100-people-enough-end-global-poverty-four-times

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