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i__i Vip Member Mar 12, 2017 11:13 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Hi guys,

I have been holding about getting a new computer for quite a while. I resisted 2500k, 3770k, 6600k and now Ryzen etc...

I have been using a I7 920 at 3.8 since it first came out. Been upgrading the video card, ssd, more ram. I am currently using a gtx 770 and looking to get a 1070 or something similar soon. I have been looking at Ryzen and thinking about selling my current comp, keeping hard drives. I also read posts about upgrade my current CPU to something like 980x or Xeon W3680. The cost will be much lower if I upgrade the CPU only, keeping my ram, case, PS. I personally don't quite need USB 3. What do you guys think? Would W3680 be able to hold another 2 generations or so, like 3 to 4 years before a big upgrade comes?

P.S. I am also wanting to get a 27inch 144hz monitor with free-sync or G-sync

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computer_guru Mar 12, 2017 11:50 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Just pick up the GTX 1070 and see how your games are running than go from there. A newer gen cpu will help with frame rate simply because each core has much higher IPC nowadays over the original nehalem but cross that bridge when you get there.

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i__i Vip Member Mar 18, 2017 01:15 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I bought the Gigabyte 1080 that is on big sale this weekend. WHat is the easier way to find out how much 920 is bottlenecking it? Do I turn up the gfx setting to see if FPS drops? I understand CPU intensive game like GTA 5 won't see much improvement though. Maybe it is time to change monitor and game at higher resolution with 144hz :)

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Mr. Friendly™ Mr. Friendly™ Mar 18, 2017 01:58 PM Reply | Bookmark
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look at the frame rates you're getting now and then look at the frame rates you get after you swap in the new card.

3.8ghz is a good speed, but isn't the fastest anymore...but Nehalem clock speeds weren't that high to begin with.

try running some benchmarks and compare them against the 6700K and 7700K and see where your rig is in comparison.

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computer_guru Mar 18, 2017 04:57 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Download a program called MSI Afterburner , goto the settings and add CPU usage and GPU usage on-screen display and if your CPU is at 100% usage and GPU is only at like 60% usage than that's a CPU bottleneck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUSkaZ4_t0

Another way to tell is simply trying ultra settings and low settings and if you find no appreciable frame rate difference that's a severe CPU bottleneck.

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i__i Vip Member Mar 29, 2017 08:56 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I got my Aorus 1080 and tested with Mass Effect, ultraLogged usage with MSI AFterburner. HEHE serious bottleneck, lol. Max GPU usage=63%, mostly hovering around 40% while a few 100% CPU and lots 70 - 80%. I seriously need to get new CPU now :(

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computer_guru Mar 30, 2017 12:11 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Oh man, yep, that's a bottleneck alright. The ryzen 5's are released april 11th. Of course if you have the budget, might as well grab a Ryzen 7 or i7 7700k.

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i__i Vip Member Mar 30, 2017 07:08 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I have a feeling that although 7700k performs better than ryzen 7 for games, ryzen 7 will be more future proof due to more cores. I supposed. Maybe 5 years down the road, games will be able to use 8 cores?

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Greg * NCIX.com Greg * NCIX.com NCIX.com Staff Mar 30, 2017 09:05 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I doubt it. Using more cores comes down to programmers optimizing games for multi-threading, which isn't easy. Usually for multi-threading, they'll dedicate specific tasks to run in their own threads. Character/object movements, Enemy AI, sound, graphics, etc. Breaking a game up into 8 or more different threads, all running and interacting simultaneously is not a simple feat to achieve.

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i__i Vip Member Mar 30, 2017 10:42 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Sorry, correct me if I am wrong but according to the graph, isn't all 8 threads being used at the same time?

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computer_guru Mar 30, 2017 11:37 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Yeah, the 8 threads were being utilized. The 1700/1700x/1800x are nice cpu's. Pick-up a 1700 and oc to 3.9ghz/4.0ghz and you've got yoruself an 1800x. It's basically tied with the 7700k for gaming in cpu demanding titles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA&t=75s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZPr-gNWdvI

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i__i Vip Member Mar 30, 2017 05:50 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Probably going for ryzen. Now the question is, does the extra $70 worth going from 1700 to 1700x. I looked online, and it seems 1700 can easily get to 3.8, not sure about 1700x though. Also the 2 chipset for the motherboard do not seem to make much difference?

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Yoinkerman Yoinkerman Mar 30, 2017 06:31 PM Reply | Bookmark
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my r7 1700 is a solid 3.8ghz.

i think the only real benefit the 1700x has is the single core auto overclock thing, which i think doesn't work anyway if you OC

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i__i Vip Member Mar 30, 2017 07:19 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Great, did you use stock cooler or an aftermarket one?

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TheMachine247 TheMachine247 Mar 30, 2017 10:59 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I would definitely recommend using a 240mm or 280mm AIO Water cooler if you intend to overclock your CPU, The 1700X does not include a cooler so you would be purchasing a Hyper 212 but would be limited to stock clocks at most.

Myself I am waiting until old hardware sells before I order up an 1800X and the accompanying waterblock and hard tube and fittings. Maybe even wait for the next run hoping for a better overclock.

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i__i Vip Member Mar 31, 2017 07:09 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Wow, spending almost $200 on a cooler is beyond my budget for it. I am not trying to get the best performance here. I just want great performance at a good cost. I will probably go for 1700 and maybe use an aftermarket cooler but I want to know if the wraith cooler is good enough to get the cpu to 3.8. I will be using 3000-3200mhz ram as ryzen performance highly depends on ram speed.

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Mr. Friendly™ Mr. Friendly™ Mar 31, 2017 07:42 AM Reply | Bookmark
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you can look at the H100i v2 as well. good cooler and is half the price.

Wraith cooler is okay, but not that good...don't expect to OC much on it.

if you wait a few more days, the quad core and hexa core Ryzen 5's are launching on April 11th.

hexa core would still be more than enough for what you are looking to do.

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Cannon Fodder Cannon Fodder Mar 31, 2017 08:47 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Care to elaborate on that statement..... how do you make the assumption that he'd be getting that cooler, and why would he be limited to "stock clocks at most"..... is there something about Ryzen CPUs that make that cooler useless for OC'ing?

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Mr. Friendly™ Mr. Friendly™ Mar 31, 2017 09:39 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Hyper 212 would work, but not get as good/stable/cool an OC as if you used something better, like the DH-15 or H100i v2.

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Yoinkerman Yoinkerman Mar 31, 2017 10:04 AM Reply | Bookmark
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3.8ghz 1.3v on the stock wraith rgb cooler on the r7 1700

Haven't tried more voltage

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Mr. Friendly™ Mr. Friendly™ Mar 31, 2017 10:14 AM Reply | Bookmark
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and what are your temps at full load on all 8 cores, Yoink?

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i__i Vip Member Mar 31, 2017 02:03 PM Reply | Bookmark
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My friend told me about this, Cryorig H7. Seems good. Also I heard that it is the vrm that limits the Oc for ryzen.

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Yoinkerman Yoinkerman Mar 31, 2017 02:36 PM Reply | Bookmark
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It reports about 73c at full load. I'm not sure how accurate it is but it doesn't turn into a hair dryer. My room is usually about 18c

I need to do some more testing to see if I'm limited by the chip or by voltage or by heat

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i__i Vip Member Mar 31, 2017 08:29 PM Reply | Bookmark
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OK! SO here it is.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YVHDXH

I am unsure what case is good. I want something that is less than $100, with 3 3.5 and 3 2.5. Of course, it needs to fit my 1080. I am only to reuse the PS I am using now, it is 850w Antec. I will be reusing my hard drives too.

As for the ram, I prefer 32gb that is 3200mhz. I am unsure if the board is good though, I need the 6 sata ports.

Please take a look and provide comments.

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i__i Vip Member Apr 01, 2017 07:26 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Picked my case :)

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/GkPDXH

Zalman z9 neo

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i__i Vip Member Apr 01, 2017 10:44 PM Reply | Bookmark
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hmm... So I bought this ram to go with the gigabyte B350 gaming 3 board. I am second guessing myself if this ram is a good choice. It seems like I won't be running the ram at anything higher than 2133 mhz as it is dual rank and not single rank. Anyone got any idea?

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computer_guru Apr 01, 2017 11:14 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I'd personally go with 3600mhz ram since that's what i've seen someone run so far on ryzen and even if it doesn't run on your board right away at those speeds with future bios updates it should or at least i'd think it should.

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nToxik nToxik Vip Member Apr 04, 2017 09:50 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Ryzen is very picky on RAM so make sure you use certified RAM for Ryzen like the GSkill Flare RAM.

https://secure1.ncix.com/search/?qcatid=0&q=gskill+ryzen


edit: picky not picking

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i__i Vip Member Apr 05, 2017 08:06 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Yeah, Ryzen is very picky. Hopefully newer bios will fix that. I hope my ram is samsung die. another website shows that it is revision 4.x.x

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