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 LATEST TOPICS |  FORUMS » GENERAL DISCUSSIONS » NOW SHIPPING: NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 580 - T...
Subject: NOW SHIPPING: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 - The New Single GPU Performance King!
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Linus * NCIX Nov 09, 2010 12:02 AM Reply | Bookmark
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It's here. The fastest single GPU on the planet. Now that the wait is over we can see what NVIDIA is able to deliver with some tweaks to the Fermi architecture.

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This message was modified by the poster at 11 09, 2010 12:04 AM

Topic URL: http://forums.ncix.com/forums/topic.php?id=2264585

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Jibz Nov 09, 2010 12:06 AM Reply | Bookmark
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first?

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Paintrain Nov 09, 2010 12:10 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Now bring on more price cuts to the GTX 460!

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Dav3 Nov 09, 2010 12:37 AM Reply | Bookmark
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mur

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Prickly Pete Nov 09, 2010 04:52 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Looks like I'll skip these cards, not enough gain over my 5870 to warrant the cost :-(

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Spudnik Nov 09, 2010 06:09 AM Reply | Bookmark
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"Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to 'Whose Line is it Anyway?" The show where everything is made up and the points don't matter!! That's right, the points don't matter just like every other nVidia GPU release!"

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Sneil Nov 09, 2010 06:21 AM Reply | Bookmark
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lol ?

i dont get it... nvidia or gpu's in general?

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Spudnik Nov 09, 2010 06:23 AM Reply | Bookmark
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It definitely sounded better in my head... But I meant to emphasize every other GPU-series release... 5XX, 3XX, 1XX, etc...

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Space Monkey Nov 09, 2010 10:25 AM Reply | Bookmark
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These cards do not impress me at all. 2 6870's will beat it every time, while consuming the same power, being just as loud and a little cooler. If the jump from 5770 to 6870 was that big, i hope AMD kicks some *** and the 69xx series has just as much of an improvement! The real battle has yet to come!

Nvidia is S**t out of luck if AMD decides to launch the 6970 and it comes within 10% of the GTX580 for $100-$150 less...and AMD could do it as their GPU is half the size.

Space

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Jibz Nov 09, 2010 10:49 AM Reply | Bookmark
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AMD fanboys hating on this card already?

I mean for a mid level consumer it's not an option but for a mega enthusiast who is willing to drop  $500 on a video card it's a beauty.

Also when comparing Nvidia cards and ati cards we all seem to neglect all other important factors and just look at average fps.

As for comparing this to two ati cards crossfired you must always keep in mind that not all games you play are multi-gpu compatible, flaky drivers with dual gpus and scaling can often be less than ideal.

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SpeedGraphic Nov 09, 2010 10:59 AM Reply | Bookmark
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How does the GTX 480 compare to the GTX 580 clock to clock? Some of the graphs I've seen look like the 580 is on top only because it's clocked faster.

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Shane_P Nov 09, 2010 11:29 AM Reply | Bookmark
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buy a GTX 580 and you still cannot play Metro 2033...lol
well at a decent resolution

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-580-review/14
well ATI is no better, I was just kinda hoping that the new 580 would finally smash that game...I think it will be like Crysis, years later hardware will finally spank that game

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Hotshot Nov 09, 2010 11:30 AM Reply | Bookmark
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metro is probably just coded badly. I think the PQ kind of sucks in metro considering how much juice it needs... at least Crysis looks good.

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Shane_P Nov 09, 2010 11:32 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I'd have to disagree, I play Metro 2033 fully maxed at 1920x1200 (DX11) and I think it looks way, way better than Crysis

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Calvin_P Nov 09, 2010 11:34 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I have ordered a GTX580 today. Selling my 5870. time to have a change from AMD.

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Space Monkey Nov 09, 2010 11:49 AM Reply | Bookmark
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If this be directed at me, then i will have you know that i have never owned an AMD/ATI video card.

I was merely stating the difference in performance in the new AMD cards vs the Nvidia ones.

5770 to 6870 = about 60-80% gain

480 to 580 = about 20% gain

IF the 6970 is also a 60-80% gain then the 580 has some troubles as it cannot complete in a pricing battle due to the cost of the HUGE GPU die.

That is clearly just looking out for the future. No bias at all.

Quote: (Jibz @ Nov 09 2010, 10:49 AM)

I mean for a mid level consumer it's not an option but for a mega enthusiast who is willing to drop  $500 on a video card it's a beauty.


But clearly spending $500 on 2 6870 is the winner...


Quote: (Jibz @ Nov 09 2010, 10:49 AM)

As for comparing this to two ati cards crossfired you must always keep in mind that not all games you play are multi-gpu compatible


Almost ANY big name game is compatible or will be on the next driver release. That's why they can still do crossfire vs SLI tests with all the same games. Most work...

Quote: (Jibz @ Nov 09 2010, 10:49 AM)

flaky drivers with dual gpus and scaling can often be less than ideal.


And you calling me a fanboi...


Space

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sniggler Nov 09, 2010 12:02 PM Reply | Bookmark
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You are comparing apples to oranges. Clearly most people with the coin for a GTX 580 actually have the coin and the tech to go dual or tri-SLI with these badboys

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DrAcX Nov 09, 2010 12:30 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Ahh, and I thought the GTX 580 would be $580

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xbournex Nov 09, 2010 12:53 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Clearly the 6870 x2 is NOT better. Your putting 2 cards to outperform one?

lets talk when there's 2x 580's and 2x 6870's. Clearly, the 580 is better.

p.s, i own a 6850 and a 6870

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Space Monkey Nov 09, 2010 01:00 PM Reply | Bookmark
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It is apples to oranges coming from ones point of view. Crossfire VS Single card.

BUT

We are talking about performance for money.

2 6870's in crossfire will beat the 580.

Clearly you need to stop being devils advocate.

Space

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Jibz Nov 09, 2010 01:03 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Check out linus' bench marks for the 580. He couldn't get two 5870s in crossfire to work half the time. Thats flaky drivers, and yes SLI has some similar issues, the most popular issue with SLI is world of warcraft which actually has less performance in SLI than with a single card.

Just saying that AMD fanboys are jumping on the hatin' train and comparing apples to oranges, which always gives some funky results

Nvidia obviously isn't making this card for the non enthusiast market, and AMD is obviously not targeting the mega enthusiast market with the 6870.

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Space Monkey Nov 09, 2010 01:12 PM Reply | Bookmark
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got a link for linus' benches? I have never seen them before. Also, try the crossfire test next month and most those games should be fixed. This is one of those adopting new tech right away things that we enthusiast understand.
I was simply stating that for $500 you can get better performance in other methods. Price for performance the 580 is not winning this battle. If it were priced at $450 - $475 it would be a winner.
Also,
If the 6970 gains just as much as the 6870 did over the 5770, then Nvidia may have a slug-fest on their hands is all else i was saying.
Space 

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Linus * NCIX Nov 09, 2010 01:14 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Bear in mind from my review that I'm running at uber resolution with maxxed out details.

Most people wouldn't run into these particular problems with Crossfire.

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Curious G Nov 09, 2010 01:16 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Would rather wait for the 6900 series.

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Jibz Nov 09, 2010 01:55 PM Reply | Bookmark
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It would be hard to achieve that given the physical limitations. The 6800 series uses the name 40nm manufacturing as the 5870 so they probably wont be jamming that much more hardware on the chip itself, also the frequency is limited.

I would expect 8-15% more performance ideally.

It's not realistic to expect a miracle from either side.

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J_P Nov 09, 2010 01:59 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Truly high end, the way 480 was meant to be.

This would be the high performing single GPU card to get, I do not have hopes for AMD fixing teething AF problems in their GPUs in this generation.

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sniggler Nov 09, 2010 02:09 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Seems to be commonplace with Blizzard these days... Starcraft 2 still slows to a crawl on my twin GTX 460 1GB's whenever there's water rippling it drops 10-15 fps or else when there's a Protoss mothership on the screen it slows to a crawl (30 fps is like a slideshow for me).

Nvidia said they addressed these issues in the latest drivers but after doing a clean install of the latest forceware it still seems to be a problem for me in SLI... Single card no problem

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LMB Nov 09, 2010 05:53 PM Reply | Bookmark
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That's just great. I just bought the crappy EVGA GTX 480 SC a couple of weeks ago, and now they release this.

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Jeep123 Nov 09, 2010 07:13 PM Reply | Bookmark
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You can step up to the 580.

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Sneil Nov 09, 2010 07:47 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Yea you can pay the difference and "step up" with evga if you're card was bought within the last 3 months, which you say it was. All is not lost my friend

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