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Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA3 64MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive

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Subject: Strange HDTune read performance
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Lsi Mar 08, 2012 12:10 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I'm just wondering if anyone else has one of these drives to compare these results to--mine is showing strange performance under read testing. It also makes loud head parking type "squeak" noises at idle which are much louder than any actuator noises it makes during seeks. I've confirmed the read results are similar on an Intel SATA3 platform as well.

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Same drive on Intel SATA3, previous was AMD SATA3.

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Interestingly Seagate has released a CC9D firmware update  (stock was CC9C) but the firmware update  isn't listed on Seagate's main firmware download page.

General firmware update  page:
http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207931

CC9D firmware: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en

The update doesn't fix the strange sequential read performance graph or the loud head park / unpark chirping noises but performance seems to have improved in some subtle ways. HD Tune Pro random read tests show amazingly consistent latency for a consumer drive and ATTO scores are over 200MB/sec on AMD SATA3. Access times were less consistent on my previous Intel SATA3 testing, so they are probably optimizing the new dual stage actuator hardware which is a new feature of the higher end models of these 7200.14 gen consumer drives.

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Impressive consistency in access times on random read testing.

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Lsi Mar 11, 2012 01:28 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Seagate seems to have a new firmware update  page located here which includes the 1TB/disc platform firmware link:

http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en/?language=en_US&c=Products%3ASerial_ATA_Drives_Seagate_Barracuda&fs=Search&pn=1

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Nukemaster Mar 14, 2012 07:22 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Those access times seem to be not right,(EDIT!!) but this computer hd tune was set to fast vs accurate, so maybe my timings are off.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7661/cheapseagatehdtune.png

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Nukemaster Mar 14, 2012 07:24 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Ohh and yeah, that drive does make some loud parking or unparking noise.

My old laptop drive did this for years without issues.

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Lsi Mar 14, 2012 11:32 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Thanks for the graphic, it confirms my drive is fine. I just wanted to make sure the jagged / uneven transfer decay was normal and not some type of ECC compensation for marginal heads etc. The really strange part was the dip in the middle, but apparently that is characteristic for this drive as it moves through its density zones. Hopefully Seagate will even things out via firmware tuning, although the benchmark numbers look fine for me. It doesn't show its potential with CDM vs ATTO, but that's just a matter of firmware optimization for certain block sizes.

AMD AHCI 12.1 on SATA3:
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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 165.338 MB/s
Sequential Write : 164.276 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 56.019 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 92.870 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 0.667 MB/s [ 162.7 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 1.380 MB/s [ 336.8 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 1.567 MB/s [ 382.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 1.400 MB/s [ 341.8 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [E: 1.0% (19.5/1863.0 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2012/03/08 0:00:36
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)

Intel AHCI RST 10.8 on SATA3:
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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 164.457 MB/s
Sequential Write : 160.505 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 56.348 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 92.593 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 0.667 MB/s [ 162.9 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 1.395 MB/s [ 340.5 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 1.548 MB/s [ 377.9 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 1.393 MB/s [ 340.2 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [E: 1.0% (19.5/1863.0 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2012/03/07 23:35:48
OS : Windows 7 SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)

PCMark05 HD scores were 10,519 and 10,249 respectively.

As for the head parking, I expect mobile drives to make those kinds of noises (albeit more quietly) to avoid platter damage if they are jarred during use but having aggressive head parking on a 3.5" desktop drive seems quite odd. OEM's such as Dell often get Seagate to update  their firmware to fix these types of things (eg: firmware update s a couple years ago with Dell Seagate 2.5" drives) so hopefully Seagate will improve this behaviour in a future firmware update .

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Lsi Mar 14, 2012 11:43 PM Reply | Bookmark
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As to your reference re: access time, the numbers are higher on my random read benchmarks because they include both the access time + rotational latency (~4.2ms on a 7.2k drive) + the time to transfer the block data (hence the reason why the avg access time increases with block size).

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To give you an idea why enterprise 15k SAS drives cost so much vs these types of mainstream drives, this is the random read test on a Seagate Cheetah 15k.6 146GB drive with current Dell firmware on a Dell SAS6/ir (LSI rebadged) controller with no caching etc. As you can see its worst case max latency is equal to the best case scores for this modern "fast" desktop drive, and this is an enterprise class drive from 4 years ago on the most basic of SAS controllers. Average access times are 2-4x faster across the board, but SSD's are of course in a completely different league since mechanical delays are not a factor.

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Nukemaster Mar 15, 2012 12:12 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Yeah high speeds sure help latency.

I have the drive short stroked down to 100gigs anyway(older pc that did not get along with SSD's. just did not always show on post.) :)

My Crystal Marks are about the same(H55N-USB3 e-sata port Intel).

How do you upload images?

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Lsi Mar 15, 2012 01:52 PM Reply | Bookmark
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When you're posting, there's a field below where you enter text that says "upload image". It only takes jpgs and not png's which is a bit annoying, and you have to remember to press upload after you select  the file.

Here's another enterprise drive circa 2006 (HP-customized Maxtor Atlas 10k V SCSI on an Adaptec 39160 controller) that I haven't updated firmware on yet, but it gives you an idea of 10k vs 15k performance in terms of latency.

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Lsi Mar 15, 2012 02:01 PM Reply | Bookmark
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That drive has much lower platter density, so as you can see its max latency scores are significantly higher, sometimes higher than the current gen 7.2k Barracuda.

This benchmark is good for reflecting the interaction between latency and transfer rates in terms of overall performance, particular once you get into the random and 1M block size testing. This is the reason why big improvements in platter density (and thus transfer rates) eventually become enough of a factor that overall performance is similar or better with a lower spec drive--the fast one may get there quicker, but it will have to sit there longer transferring data due to the lower DTR.

Of course this test represents the worst case scenario where access across the entire drive surface is tested (equivalent to a significantly full or partially full but badly fragmented drive). When you image from a smaller drive to a bigger one, the data is more densely packed so an equivalent test on the larger drive from a functional perspective would be to only test the capacity equivalent to the smaller drive, since initially that is the amount of head movement that will be occurring.

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Kramy Mar 15, 2012 02:51 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Lsi: The spikes are normal according to the reviews that I've seen.

Nukemaster: HDTune v255 is limited to 32bit signed ints for the random access test (yellow dots) - since it assumes 512b sectors and 32bit signed ints are limited to a tad over 2 billion, it only tests the first 1TB of a drive. That's why your access times are lower, and why the yellow dots only show up on the first half of the graph.

Hey LSI, nice Cheetah!

My $70 liberated Hitachi External (currently used as a Steam games drive) scores pretty close on speeds, but does have the occasional read that takes longer (which could cause a stutter) - still, it compares very favourably to Green drives.
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/7754/hdtuneproahcirandomacce.png

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Nukemaster Mar 15, 2012 07:44 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Kramy, Thanks for pointing that out. I grabbed the HD Tune demo.

Lots of extra features.

I do not see an upload image option, but maybe i just have to little posts to qualify? Or maybe FF does not show it.

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Lsi May 30, 2012 11:57 AM Reply | Bookmark
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The previous link I provided to CC9D firmware has now been replaced with content for the new CC4H firmware released yesterday, but that applies to only some of these 1TB platform models. It apparently fixes the chirping on drives with those CC4x firmwares, but the CC9x series firmware update  (CC9D) is now gone and they still have no resolution for the chirping with my drive (stock firmware was CC9C). Way to go Seagate.

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Charles_S Jun 30, 2012 05:33 AM Reply | Bookmark
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(sorry, I didn't see how to post a comment here without quite a previous post).

I just wanted to see if their was a way to shut off the head parking? I've got an external 2TB Seagate drive that gave me the option to disable it.

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Trocko Feb 03, 2013 09:36 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Sorry to grave dig, but my CC82 firmware drive still chirps, and fails sea tools, but has no bad sectors on HD tune or crystal mark info....

Drivin me crazy. Should I rma to Seagate? or just accept it as an annoying chirp?

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Zer0 Feb 03, 2013 12:38 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I owned 2 of these drives for a couple days before returning them for Hitachi's. Faster, runs cooler, quieter, and no chirps.

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Lsi Feb 03, 2013 11:58 PM Reply | Bookmark
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In my experience with Seagates chirping (randomly experienced on various drives over many years and different model lines) this is not really a firmware issue and isn't necessarily a symptom of imminent failure--but yes it is annoying. These true chirping noises can occur regardless of the operating system's power down settings for the drives. These 7200.14 / 1TB platform models did have constant head parking noises with certain older firmwares, which I would describe  as different than the random chirping noise that I hear on some Seagate drives. Seagate's quality control has always been spotty in this sense, going back many years. I had a pair of 7200.7 or .8 drives which produced chirping in the RAID-1 in my own server many years ago, and I promptly replaced them with a pair of Hitachis due to the annoyance once I isolated the sound to one of the drives in the set.

As Zer0 expressed, my preference are also Hitachi (whose product lines are formerly IBM, and now are sold as Toshiba for the most part) or Western Digital. People frequently complain about head parking on WD Green type drives (aggressive head parking in firmware), but I have never experienced these noises as the type of chirps that I am referring to with Seagates.

My experience with irregular chirping from hard drives in ~25 years in the industry has been specific to Seagates drives. I currently use mostly their unique hybrid 2.5" drives, and I have even had some of those produce random chirping but it is not specific to a firmware version (and I have experienced it as recently as the other day on a drive running the latest SD28 firmware on a 500GB model).

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Trocko Feb 04, 2013 11:16 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Thanks Zer0 and LSI

I rma'd the drive today, and im getting the new one friday I hope...

If it fails, i might see if i can upgrad/downgrade to a hybrid drive.... lol

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I got a 3TB version of this drive back from RMA the other day, and they seem to have smoothed out the read performance in newer firmware versions of this product line...this one has CC82 on it. Anything new I've seen is CC2x and the mid gen was CC4x (after the original squeakers being CC9x). Gotta love Seagate with firmware generations being non-sequential and all over the same map within the same product line. CC82 was an RMA swap for a failure in a cheap consumer 3TB RAID-1, failed with about a month left in the 1yr warranty.

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Older model updated to CC4H for comparison.

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The new part # drives with CC2x firmware are slower as others have noticed. I tested this CC82 (same part # as CC4x drives) RMA drive vs the new CC26 model on the same platform, and random performance (particularly write performance) seems to be down across the board.

PCMark05 / Vantage / 7 HD scores:
CC82: 10,069 / 2223-610 / 5237
CC26: 9,223 / 2063-578 / 4592

By those metrics, the "new" version is ~10-15% slower.

CDM also mirrored this performance loss:
CC82:
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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 183.414 MB/s
Sequential Write : 179.152 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 58.159 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 93.807 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 0.674 MB/s [ 164.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 1.328 MB/s [ 324.2 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 1.642 MB/s [ 400.8 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 1.355 MB/s [ 330.8 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [E: 0.0% (0.2/2794.4 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2013/07/08 16:10:18
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)

CC26:
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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 174.996 MB/s
Sequential Write : 169.865 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 57.328 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 85.684 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 0.663 MB/s [ 161.8 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 1.140 MB/s [ 278.3 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 1.679 MB/s [ 410.0 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.938 MB/s [ 229.0 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [E: 0.0% (0.2/2794.4 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2013/07/10 19:19:27
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x64)

Random 4k write performance is down 15-30%, and 512k ~10%.

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Laszlo_H Jun 11, 2014 04:15 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Funny, I am trying to replace my HDS722020ALA because of a intermittent humming/vibration noise. Out of warranty I am afraid it will fail. Support was no help at this point with this issue.
BTW. according to Acronis it does have 1166 days on it and it only started to make the noise 6 month ago.
With an older system like mine, max transfer ATA133 what can I expect for drop  of transfer across the plate? I got 125MB/s to 70MB/s at the end. Will I get 125MB/s to 100MB/s as I can see 200-100 on that uploaded HD Tune even if it's all over the place.
SATA3 should be 600MB/s no?!

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